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Claud 'Rick' Koerber carries on despite Ponzi scheme charges, Robert Paisola Reports


HIGHLAND — It's clear, just from the words he uses, that the line has been drawn in the sand.

This is a battle. A fight. This is the government versus the businessman. And while Claud "Rick" Koerber, 36, thinks it's quite a compelling story, he said it would be more interesting if this conflict weren't also his life.

Though he has been accused by the government of running a Ponzi scheme that bilked investors of $100 million, Koerber is undeterred. He's not repentant because he says he's not guilty. He believes in the money he made and the company he built. He intends to fight the battle and emerge victorious.

"The rules of the justice system are that you can fight," he said. "It's the fundamental thing that makes a free society more attractive. Just because the government accuses you, it doesn't mean it's true. I'm proud of my business. I'm proud of what we did. I think that what we did was amazing."

Koerber made a name for himself as the "Free Capitalist," a radio personality who leans Libertarian politically, is objectivist in his philosophy and capitalist when it comes to economy. Wednesday, he relaunched his Free Capitalist Project, which involves the continuation of his radio show, features an updated Free Capitalist Web site and another site of Koerber's personal blog.

More than anything, he said he is someone who believes in responsible, accountable citizens who turn to themselves — not their government — for solutions. Even in the face of their failures. And that is what the Free Capitalist is about.

Koerber said people were once allowed to go out on a limb, say, make a business investment and fail. But they now look for a place to point the blame, and quite a few fingers are pointing his way.

Koerber was hit with a three-count indictment in May 2009 charging him with mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion. In November, a grand jury handed down a new indictment that includes a total of 22 counts and additional charges of fraud in the offer and sale of securities, sale of unregistered securities, money laundering, and additional counts of both wire fraud and tax evasion.

If convicted of every count, he faces a maximum of 285 years in prison — more than someone might receive even for killing someone, Koerber pointed out.

The business ventures, he said, were always a side project. Prosecutors believe he solicited investors and then encouraged them to "act and think like a bank." The groups of investors were supposed to recruit other investors, all under Koerber's assurance that their investments were "backed, collateralized or secured by real property," the indictment against him states.

Koerber was involved with several businesses in Utah, including Founders Capital, Franklin Squires Investments and Franklin Squires Companies. Prosecutors say Koerber operated a Ponzi scheme to make it appear as though these companies were turning a profit to secure more investors, yet "at no time during the operation of the scheme did the Founders Capital or Franklin Squires … turn a profit."

Koerber said the term "Ponzi scheme" was used by a government looking to depict the issue with a "big, broad brush." He insists it wasn't a Ponzi scheme at all. He says his business took the same hits most other businesses did in the current economic downturn, yet his business was also affected by what he believes were lies spread by the government.

A moviemaking venture that, according to the indictment, cost about $5 million wasn't a failed project, Koerber said, merely one that hasn't seen completion. He said they're still hoping the movie will be bought and marketed.

He believes the company would have gained back what it lost, if not for the disruption and controversy caused by the indictment.

"We never would have stopped," he said. "We would have survived but for the government's reaction. You can't survive both the economic collapse and the government saying you're a fraud, a schemer."

Koerber said he never would have taken a hiatus from his Free Capitalist project, either, but he spent 2009 dealing with "this new problem" and sorting through his priorities. He chose his own attorney and underwent a divorce in November. He is now remarried and has custody of the couple's three children, though he and his first wife remain good friends and she sees the children often.

Koerber is not prohibited by the terms of his pretrial release from starting or heading up any business ventures. Within those terms, the judge ordered that Koerber actively seek employment, appear at all court hearings relevant to his case and that he not violate any federal or state laws. Melodie Rydalch, spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said her office could not comment on Koerber as the case is still pending in federal court.

As soon as he had the time, Koerber returned to the project and is determined to carry it on. In the meantime, he is certain that, when it comes to the charges against him, the truth will win out.

"The story you tell over time is going to change. There's really no way to see an indictment as a positive. I got indicted. That sucks, but time is on the side of truth. Everyone has an interest in seeing what happens."


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Sunday

'Latter-day capitalist' Rick Koerber: Rags to riches and back again, Our Position by Robert Paisola


'Latter-day capitalist' Rick Koerber: Rags to riches and back again"

Now facing charges, Latter-day capitalist Rick Koerber built a $100 million operation in Utah County only to end up broke.

Salt Lake Tribune

Back in 2006, Rick Koerber was a phenomenon.

He could charge up to $2,000 for his real-estate investing seminar and 200 people would show up.

So entranced were investors by Koerber's "Equity Mill" program that they poured at least $100 million into businesses operated under the FranklinSquires Cos. name.

Koerber called himself a "Latter-day capitalist." He had his Free Capitalist Project, a "university" and a radio program. He supported the failed school voucher movement and flexed political muscle against regulators. He had Ferraris and Maseratis and an Alpine mansion.

Then in 2007, credit tightened and housing values plummeted. The companies stopped making interest payments; lawsuits followed. Koerber lost his home and his car.

In May, a federal grand jury indicted him for operating an alleged Ponzi scheme, charging him with mail and wire fraud and tax evasion. More charges are expected.

Koerber claims innocence.

"Honestly," he said of himself and his partners, "we weren't that experienced in business, and we weren't that experienced in real estate. We were just ambitious."

A history

Claud Roderick "Rick" Koerber was born March 6, 1973, in Casper, Wyo., to an unmarried cocktail waitress. He never met his biological father.

When he was about 6 months old, his mother, Linda, married Ted Edward Koerber, who adopted Rick. They divorced when the boy was about 4 .

"He was a big drunk, an alcoholic," Koerber said in an interview before the indictment. He saw Ted only once after the divorce, visiting him in jail at Christmastime.

Linda raised him in Casper with her parents' help. Koerber excelled in debate in high school, but by 17 found himself searching for a foundation.

On a rainy Easter Sunday, he answered the door to Mormon missionaries. "I said, 'Tell me, does God have a Dad?' That's how I started. Less than a month later, I got baptized."

LDS capitalist

Koerber's LDS religion would figure prominently in his life and Utah businesses. But some think he went too far.

In at least one presentation in St. George, Koerber announced the presence of Hartman Rector Jr., a former LDS general authority. Gordon Hamm, a software engineer in attendance, thought Koerber's actions were inappropriate.

"The church wouldn't have wanted that, and that was my beef," said Hamm, who wrote Koerber and Rector letters protesting the implied endorsement.

Members of several LDS wards Koerber lived in also invested, influenced by his church membership, said David Doerr, a real estate broker who Koerber sued over comments on a blog.
"I know of at least two families who lost their homes because they invested," said Doerr, who attended the same Spanish Fork ward as Koerber. "But that's the tip of the iceberg."

James W. Smart of Salt Lake City cited religion as a factor when he and his wife invested equity from their home with Gabriel Joseph, a co-founder of FranklinSquires Cos. who ran one of the companies, Annuit Coeptis, that also fed money into the operation.

"He'd say the right things ... 'Some people use the money to go on missions' and stuff like this," said Smart, a church employee.

Wyoming failure

Koerber got an associates degree in liberal arts and general studies from Casper College, then attended the University of Denver on a debate scholarship from 1993 to 1996, studying religion and public policy but apparently never graduated.

He went to work for Xerox and managed to save $10,000 that he used to start a company that fixed computers. He returned to Wyoming and also formed Global Central, an Internet service provider. The company did well, according to Koerber, and in 2000 he decided to take the parent, National Business Systems, public. In doing so, he ran afoul of Wyoming regulators who alleged he misled investors about the company's financial condition and failed to reveal most of the money would fund sales commissions and current operations costs.

By September 2001, Koerber and wife Michelle filed for bankruptcy. In court, the couple listed their cash on hand as $5.

Flat broke, the couple moved to Orem, where Koerber wanted to become an LDS seminary teacher.

Lessons learned?

The Wyoming sanctions weighed on Koerber.

In organizing FranklinSquires in 2004 with seven former students from his seminars, Koerber said he consulted an attorney because he didn't want to get in trouble with regulators. He said the attorney told him, "If you're all business partners and you're all actively involved in managing the company and you're all using your own money, no problem."

But then, Koerber said his insurance agent, Les McGuire, asked him about investing after seeing Koerber's financial records when he purchased a policy.

Koerber went back to attorneys to see how McGuire, who later died in a plane crash, could invest. The question was how he could accept outside investors without registering with the state Division of Securities or federal Securities and Exchange Commission, which would trigger a number of requirements about disclosing financial and other information about the company and its owners.

He said he learned he could bring McGuire on as a partner. That advice led to the creation of Founders Capital, owned 50 percent by McGuire and the other half by FranklinSquires.

"Once we did that we did not have to comply with all these other regulations," Koerber said. "We had good attorneys giving us that advice."

Humble beginnings » Once in Orem, Koerber and his wife found a home they rented for $800 a month, though it was strewn with mouse feces.

Koerber studied to become a seminary teacher but said he eventually was told he could not teach LDS religious classes unless he made good with Wyoming investors.

"I didn't want to be in business; I wanted to pay back the investors I had from my previous business," he said.

Koerber had seen an infomercial for the Carleton Sheets investment program that promised to teach "how to invest in real estate with no money down." Without a credit card, he couldn't get the program, so he went to work as a telemarketer for FranklinCovey Coaching, which sold it.

"At night I'd go over and read it and pretty soon I made copies of it," Koerber said. "I'd sneak the videos out and watch them."

Using what he learned, Koerber and his wife bought a Spanish Fork home for $135,000 from owners willing to finance the deal themselves with no money down. The monthly payment was $805 for a house nearly identical to Koerber's in-laws' two blocks way.

"They worked their whole lives to have this house, and here I was this failure in business who had no money and no credit and we're moving into this house and I had increased my expenses $5 a month. I thought I was the smartest guy in the world and I said I got to do this some more. ... It was like hallelujah."

'Equity Milling'

Koerber built on the Carleton Sheets method to create his "Equity Milling" program. He began buying and selling houses and sharing his technique, charging students as much as $2,000.

"I thought to myself, geez, one or two sales a month and you're going to make as much as you make as a seminary teacher."

Dennis and Marietta Baca, a retired couple from Aurora, Colo., in September 2005 received an invitation from Koerber for a Denver seminar conducted by Gabriel Joseph, one of FranklinSquires owners.

According to a lawsuit they filed in Colorado, Joseph described Koerber as a "brilliant real estate investor" and encouraged attendees to sign up for an instructional program. The Bacas paid $7,285 for an Internet-based course and also traveled to Provo for classes.

The Bacas borrowed $55,000 against their rental property and used $40,000 from her 401(k) to invest in Koerber's operations. Eventually, they put in another $30,000 from credit card advances.

They received monthly interest payments until the checks stopped in October 2007.

'God is a capitalist' » His clients, Koerber said, were usually people "looking to supplement their income or get out of what they were doing."

"They stayed up at night watching get-rick-quick infomercials ... Most of these people were average lower middle-class people who didn't like being lower middle class."

For the once-broke Koerber, 36, and his partners, most 30-something Utah County residents, the money flowed in -- so much so that the lead-in song to his Free Capitalist show was "Money, Money, Money." by Abba.

Koerber graduated from the Spanish Fork house to a 13,850-square-foot mansion in Alpine.

At meetings and on his radio show in July 2008, Koerber told a story about the expensive automobiles he and others viewed as advertising their companies' success.

Koerber said he went to a car dealership with Joseph, who wanted to buy a new Ferrari.

"I had driven my lowly Maserati up there to get worked on," Koerber said. "Basically I was sitting there and didn't want to drive a loaner car back home ... So I found a Ferrari on the showroom floor ... and so I bought it for $205,000 and wrote a check for it."

But telling the story -- with relish --- on his radio show, Koerber was incensed by a listener who criticized him because he found the story clashed with Christian teachings.

"God is a capitalist, my friend," Koerber told listeners and his critic.

When Koerber drove the car home, a neighbor who owned a minivan remarked that people in other parts of the world were starving. But Koerber would have none of that, particularly after selling the new Ferrari a few months later for about $20,000 more than he paid.

"So I drove that car around for two months and it cost me less than it cost you to drive around in your self-righteous minivan," he said.

Out of control

After McGuire, who died later in a plane crash, bought in through the creation of Founders Capital, a real estate broker named Paul Bouchard who operated Hunters Capital asked about investing, Koerber said.

Other people set up funds and also began to "lend" money, with Founders Capital agreeing to pay, according to the indictment, around 5 percent per month. A number of these feeder funds began to create their own "downlines" of investors in which each person who recruited new money got a piece of the interest.

Koerber insists the funds and individuals were not investors but made loans, a legal distinction that could come into play in the government's case against him.

Federal officials declined to provide an estimate of the number of people involved, saying only it could be in the hundreds. David Shipley, a certified investment adviser, said FranklinSquires was all the buzz among some Utah County investors.

"If I were to guess, more money from Utah County investors ... went into this project, to put it politely, than any other business that ever has come into this area," Shipley said.

Koerber said his obligation is only to first-line lenders with whom Founders Capital had a contractual relationship.

He did not initially know of or encourage perhaps the largest investor, Hunters Capital, or others to form downlines of investors, Koerber said. Promoters such as Bouchard used him and his seminars to solicit investments without his knowledge, he claimed, even though he acknowledged Bouchard was a friend whose offices were in the FranklinSquires building.

"He would take a guy, a neighbor who wanted to invest and he would bring [him] to one of my seminars. He would use that as credibility. The next day he'd say 'OK, give me $200,000 and I'm just going to loan it to Rick.' "

Bouchard, who did not return a voice mail seeking comment, sent more than $10 million he gathered in Founders Capital. He pleaded no contest to criminal charges and has been ordered to repay $8.83 million.

Huge annual return

Koerber denies running a Ponzi scheme, and blasts the government for loosely throwing around that term. He said he told investigators the investments were all backed by equity in property or businesses.

"I can't say we've never paid interest with new capital," Koerber said. "That's not a big deal, and all our investors know that. But on balance, we're by far in the black in terms of more assets than liabilities."

Yet to meet its obligations of 5 percent or so a month, the "equity milling" operation would have had to produce a huge annual return. For example, $100,000 at a simple interest rate of 5 percent per month would mean that the funds would have had to return an interest rate of 60 percent after a year or $60,000 to meet the company's obligation. Interest compounded monthly would mean a return closer to 80 percent would be required.

"I don't see legitimately how anybody could take that promise [of investing in real estate as FranklinSquires did] and make a 5 percent a month return on investment," said Tom Eldredge, a partner at the Grant Thornton accounting firm in Salt Lake City. "That's very unusual."

Plus, the indictment alleges about half of the $100 million taken in by FranklinSquires was used for purposes other than real estate investing, thus making meeting its obligations even less probable.

'A lot of freakin' money'

In 2007 the housing bubble that provided the fuel for the "equity mill" to work on such a large scale burst, bringing Koerber's operation down. FranklinSquires had assets in the form of houses all over the country, Koerber said. But as prices fell, it no longer had equity in the houses and, even if it could sell, wouldn't make a profit needed to service its debt.

"So we became illiquid," Koerber said.

By that time, the 50 entities involved in raising money for Founders Capital had shrunk to nine. But to those, FranklinSquires still owes about $30 million after reducing the debt from $120 million, much of it through trading equity in FranklinSquires.

That $30 million is "still a lot of freakin' money," Koerber said, but he vowed to pay it back "even if takes another two years or five years."

Meanwhile, in court Koerber finally agreed in a foreclosure proceeding to vacate his mansion. The bank repossessed his Mercedes S600. A court-appointed attorney represents him.

Ripples in the pond

The FBI and the state Division of Securities continue to investigate. At least 13 of the investor companies face lawsuits or sanctions from regulators. More federal charges are expected.

Smaller investors are out the equity in their homes and are working to save again for retirement or to repay money borrowed on credit.

Doerr, the broker, said real estate in Utah County where FranklinSquires or its students bought homes likely will show still greater effects from falling prices and evaporated equity.

Some county residents now own investment homes they must pay mortgages on until they figure out what to do with them, said Shipley, the financial adviser. Others have second or first mortgages on homes they had already paid off.

"Especially for Utah County, some of the worst stories are the couples who are retired and put the entire equity value of their house or their entire life savings into this organization," Shipley said. "Now they don't know whether they have anything to show for it."

This is a story that appeared today. We will provide our commentary on an upcoming post on this site as well as over the Western Capital Multimedia Network

Robert Paisola
CEO
The Western Capital Foundation

Rick Koerber , CEO of Franklin Squires Goes Live on CBS Television, by Robert Paisola

Rick Koerber the CEO of Many Utah Based Companies including Franklin Squires, Founders Capital, and other companies.

This is a three part Video Series Recorded Live on Sunday June 7, 2009

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Part 1 of 3 Rick Koerber , CEO of Franklin Squires Goes Live on CBS Television, by Robert Paisola




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The above video was aired on CBS and was aired live with Mr. Rick Koerber of Feanklin Squires and Founders Capital. We want you to know that we are receiving your letters and calls regarding this case. We applaud Mr. Koerber and the fair reporting of KUTV on this matter.

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EGENUITY TOOK ME, Robert Paisola Reports


MR ROBERT PAISOLA

WHERE TO BEGIN......I AM SO GLAD I STUMBLED ACROSS THIS SITE. I AM NOT AN INVESTOR OF ANY OF THE COMPANIES MENTIONED HERE (THANK GOODNESS) BUT, I HAVE SEVERAL FRIENDS WHO ARE. OF EVERYTHING I'VE READ, THERE IS SELDOM ANYTHING WRITTEN ABOUT ENGENUITY, VALUE CAPITAL, RAYHAR, AND MIWI. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ST. GEORGE ENGENUITY IS SET UP LIKE THIS.....VALUE CAPITAL (KURT VANDERSLICE, MARTY WILKINSON) AND RAYHAR (MIKE ISOM) RAISED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM ACCREDITED AND NON ACCREDITED INVESTORS. AN INTERESTING FACT IS THAT ALL THREE OF MY FRIENDS WERE SIGNED UP AS ACCREDITED INVESTORS. AN ACCREDITED INVESTOR HAS A NET WORTH OF $1,000,000 OR A PERSON WITH AN ANNUAL INCOME FOR THE TWO MOST RECENT YEARS OF $200,000. WELL, NONE OF THEM MEET THAT CRITERIA. IN FACT, IF THEY PUT ALL THEIR RESOURCES TOGETHER THEY STILL WOULD NOT MEET THE CRITERIA. SO VALUE CAPITAL AND RAYHAR GIVE THEIR MONEY TO MIWI (MIKE ISOM....AGAIN). MIWI THEN LOANED THE MONEY TO GUESS WHO........? FOUNDERS CAPITAL (RICK KOERBER). THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A PYRAMID SCHEME WHEN DRAWN OUT ON A PAPER DOES IT? FROM REPORTS, FOUNDERS CAPITAL STOPPED PAYING MIWI SOMETIME IN JULY OF 2007. THIS IS WHAT'S INTERESTING. FOUNDERS CAPITAL APPARENTLY OFFERED TO PAY MIWI BACK ITS INVESTMENT SOMETIME IN 2007 OR CONVERT ITS INVESTMENT INTO EQUITY IN FOUNDERS CAPITAL. GUESS WHAT...THEY CONVERTED IT TO EQUITY. SO LETS POINT OUT SOME THINGS HERE. ENGENUITY, WHICH IS (VALUE CAPITAL, RAYHAR, MIWI) IS A FINANCIAL ADVISOR. OK, WHAT FINANCIAL ADVISOR IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BUY INTO A COMPANY (FOUNDERS CAPITAL) THAT COULDN'T PAY INTEREST PAYMENTS ANYMORE. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY WERE OFFERED TO BE PAID BACK THE FULL INVESTMENT? THAT'S ONE OF THE HUNDREDS OF QUESTIONS INVESTORS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BUT, THERE IS NO COMMUNICATION FROM ENGENUITY TO THEIR INVESTORS ON TOUCHY SUBJECTS LIKE THIS. THE COMMUNICATION LETTERS THAT I HAVE READ BASICALLY SAY, WE CANT PAY AT THIS TIME, SORRY. WHY IS ENGENUITY SO QUIET WHEN ASKED WHEN FOUNDERS CAPITAL IS GOING TO PAY THEM BACK? PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY USED YOUR INVESTMENT DOLLARS TO BUY A BIG CHUNK OF FOUNDERS CAPITAL. THE THREE FRIENDS OF MINE WERE TOLD THEY WERE INVESTING IN HOMES, NOT BUYING FOUNDERS CAPITAL. THEY WERE TOLD THAT SOMEWHERE OUT THERE, THERE WAS A HOME BACKING UP THE INVESTMENT THEY MADE WITH AT LEAST 20% EQUITY IN IT. THE OWNERS OF THESE COMPANIES STILL HAVE THE FANCY CARS, TOYS, AND THEIR HOMES WHILE THE INVESTORS LOSE EVERYTHING. I WILL SAY IT LIKE I SAID TO MY THREE BUDDIES. IF YOU INVESTED WITH THESE COMPANIES YOUR MONEY IS GONE. YOU MAY SEE TOKEN PAYMENTS FROM ENGENUITY TRYING TO MAKE GOOD EITHER ON THEIR OWN OR FORCED BY THE LAW BUT, IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY YOU WILL SEE THE TOTALITY OF YOUR INVESTMENT AGAIN FROM THIS HOUSE OF CARDS.

W.T. CRAIG
ST GEORGE UTAH

Wednesday

Feature | House of Cards? Anxious investors fear “Free Capitalist” Rick Koerber’s real estate investment empire is folding , Posted by Robert Paisola


Feature | House of Cards? Anxious investors fear “Free Capitalist” Rick Koerber’s real estate investment empire is folding

By Eric S. Peterson
Posted 03/06/2008


An episode of the Free Capitalist radio show returned from commercial break last August with music dramatic enough to bolster an epic battle scene from Braveheart. “Wow, that’s some great welcome-back music,” said show host Rick Koerber.
“I know; I feel like Luke Skywalker in Star Wars,” said co-host David Kirby, as Koerber slipped into an impression of dueling light sabers. The two men rolled along, Kirby laughing at Koerber’s antics. Then suddenly, like a switch had been flipped, Koerber soberly interjected: “Yes [but for us], this isn’t the music of victory. This is to announce the battle has begun.”

The Free Capitalist show broadcasts from a Provo studio and has been carried on KTKK (K-Talk) 630 AM radio for four years. During the duration of that run, Koerber has all but trademarked his own brand of capitalism as a cure-all for our politically troubled times. On the show, Koerber also has pitched his numerous other business interests, including his American Founders University. Koerber has taught thousands of students a process he calls “equity milling”—a real-estate investment strategy that, as some have practiced, has led to multistate securities-fraud charges against and investigations of more than a dozen Free Capitalist followers.

The fast-talking host’s radio rants bounce from pure dollars-and-cents business gab to apocalyptic diatribes about a socialist world takeover. In the course of a two-hour show, Koerber is as likely to reference Ronald Reagan and Ayn Rand as he is The Book of Mormon and the film The Matrix.

“Living in financial fear is like living in the matrix,” Koerber says. “I don’t live in the matrix, but I do visit there often to try and save people who were once like me.”

Last Aug. 31, Koerber, 35, brazenly challenged on the air the “commie-czars” of the Utah Securities Division. “They told me I couldn’t pay my investors!” Koerber shouted of his alleged encounter with securities investigators. Former Utah Securities Division director Wayne Klein would neither confirm nor deny for City Weekly that Koerber was or is under investigation.

“I’ll tell you why there’s more fraud in Utah than any other state in the union,” Koerber said on the show. “It’s because [investigators] go after people like Rick Koerber without facts!”

Koerber hasn’t been charged with any securities violations himself. But, if he is merely a real estate guru whose “13 Principles of Prosperity” have been lost on some wayward students now charged with securities fraud, it begs the question: What has this champion of capitalism done to keep followers from perverting his business philosophy? And, if business associates like recently charged Paul Bouchard—who is alleged to have bilked investors of $11 million meant to be paid from Koerber’s company—what has Koerber done to help make those investors whole again?

Helping prevent fraud and repair its consequences from within the industry is difficult, especially when you’re busy waging war on state regulators.

“I think you’re the wrongdoer,” Koerber continued on the radio show, invoking a rhetorical state regulator. “I think when you look in the mirror, you’re the evil you despise, because nobody in my circle is complaining.”

Even still, dozens of investors from connected companies have pleaded with Koerber for relief. And troubled investors have filed lawsuits in Utah and Colorado against Koerber and his companies.

Principle 5: People Are Assets

“Rick Koerber doesn’t care about anyone but Rick Koerber,” says Steve Skuba. Those are strong words for a man who never directly invested in Koerber’s Founders Capital LLC.

After 16 years as a beat cop in San Diego, Skuba moved to St. George in 2005 and started in real estate. Business acquaintances told him about a firm called SGS Capital. “I was very naïve about it,” Skuba says. “It was the first time I ever invested anything with anyone.”

Ultimately, Skuba pulled $200,000 equity from his home and invested it with SGS. Skuba says SGS representatives told him they would invest the money directly into Koerber’s Founders Capital. According to a Utah Securities Division order to show cause from October 2007, SGS allegedly gave the money to Hunters Capital, which then moved it to Founders.

At 3 percent monthly interest, Skuba was, for a time, earning $6,000 a month in interest payments. Koerber says he’s never taught people to use money from their own homes for investment. But, at the time, the risky move paid off for Skuba.

“It helped a lot to pay the mortgage, it really helped with my daughter,” Skuba says. His 19 year-old daughter was diagnosed at 18 months of age with a brain tumor on her left frontal lobe and has been gripped daily with violent seizures ever since. She requires constant care, Skuba says, and lives in a costly California school.

Skuba felt he had finally caught a lucky break—until Dec. 4, 2007. On that day, Paul Bouchard of Hunters Capital pleaded no contest to two second-degree felony charges filed by the Utah Attorney General’s Office, which charged him with taking $11 million from 140 investors.

According to a Utah Securities Division document on the case, SGS couldn’t pay back Skuba’s $200,000 investment because his money went from SGS to Hunters Capital. Hunters alleges the money had been invested with Koerber’s Founder’s Capital, though Koerber says he was unaware of how Hunters had raised its investments.

Koerber said that such indirect investments did not obligate him to compensate Skuba. Frustrated, Skuba says he never realized the money passed hands with Hunters Capital. He pleaded with Koerber to help him out.

“I didn’t want my credit to be ruined,” Skuba says, adding that he begged Koerber to buy his home so he could avoid foreclosure.

Koerber reluctantly agreed and last October began negotiating terms to purchase Skuba’s home. But Skuba says Koerber avoided finalizing the deal for several months. Finally, Koerber made Skuba an ultimatum: He would buy the house if Skuba signed a “hold harmless” agreement, waiving his rights to pursue legal action against Koerber.

Skuba signed—a costly mistake, he now says, as Koerber reneged on his promise to buy the home. Koerber disputes that; he told City Weekly the deal was only “recently finalized,” and that he would indeed buy the home. “We’ve got an excellent track record on the homes we buy,” Koerber says.

Ten minutes after City Weekly spoke with Koerber on Feb. 22, Skuba called the paper to say that, after spending months of trying to reach Koerber to complete the deal, Koerber had just phoned him to discuss the house purchase. Koerber also told Skuba he would investigate a legal option to buy the promissory note for the money SGS Capital owed Skuba.

Koerber then phoned City Weekly back to report that, after checking, he had discovered Skuba didn’t want to sell the house. Koerber said he had recorded the phone conversation as proof.

Skuba, dumbfounded that Koerber would record their conversation, alleges he didn’t want to sell the house under one option discussed, which would have kept him from recouping his remaining equity. Skuba worried he would still be vulnerable to foreclosure.

“[Skuba] gets pretty emotional,” Koerber responds. “I think that gets in the way of his judgment. But you know I’m just trying to help the guy out.”

Koerber’s Castle


The FranklinSquires building in Provo seems almost an abandoned castle. The once teeming 50,000-square-foot office now holds but a small skeleton crew filling one area.

Inside a room that resembles the Oval Office, Koerber sits behind an oversize mahogany desk. An oil painting of signers of the Declaration of Independence hangs over a gas fireplace. Behind Koerber’s desk, the custom flag of his Free Capitalist Project stands ceremoniously next to the U.S. flag.

“I’m no Ponzi scheme,” Koerber says. “If I was, why haven’t I skipped town for Cabo? I’m still here, coming every day and kicking butt.”

Koerber turns to a wall of his office dominated by six large flat-screen computer monitors, then pulls up a taped phone conversation between a caller and a Utah securities regulator. Besides recording his discussions with investors like Steve Skuba, Koerber says he has spent the past two years documenting his encounters with securities regulators with recordings of private meetings and phone calls. He plays a static-ridden audio file on which a caller learns from an alleged securities regulator that Koerber’s investment model “is based on fraud; the whole model is based on fraud.”

Koerber says his “equity milling” has only drawn suspicion from regulators because others have commandeered his concept and turned it fraudulent. “Unfortunately, what most people understand as equity milling is somebody’s ripped-off version of my model,” he says.

“I got started in the real estate business with no money or credit, so my whole model is based on how you make money in real estate without money or credit.”

Banking on Broke

Koerber, who today banks on his “principles of prosperity,” once declared bankruptcy with debts of nearly $1 million. For Koerber, that’s a selling point.

Koerber alleges to have ridden the dot-com bubble in the mid-’90s with his Wyoming-based Internet company GlobalCentral.com. When the bubble burst, so did his business and, with wife Michelle, Koerber filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2001.

That bankruptcy is an integral part of his success story, the punch line of his motivational speech to budding investors. In his recently published Free Capitalist Project Primer, Koerber describes the chronology that led him from bankruptcy, bitter disenchantment with moneymaking, to re-emerging from financial ruin as a born-again capitalist:

“Four years ago, I was working as a telemarketer and giving plasma twice a week (along with my wife) just to have enough money to pay the bills. Three years ago, I surprisingly discovered a path to earn sufficient income, to ensure that I would almost certainly never need another paycheck again. Two years ago, I successfully generated over $1 million in revenue—enough to pay back all those debts I had previously been legally discharged from paying (plus an additional 6 percent for good measure). One year ago, I just completed my best business year ever with over $110 million in revenue!”

Koerber champions the surprise path that led him from economic ashes to grand wealth as open to anyone willing to “turn their brain on.” There’s a price: A yearlong real-estate investment course costs about $7,500.

On his Website RickKoerber.com, he testifies of his rollicking success in Wyoming as one unforged in “principles.” Subsequently, he collapsed under the stress of the bursting dot-com bubble, which led to his bankruptcy. Crushed by debt and shame, Koerber gave up the entrepreneur’s life and started selling office copiers.

In the darkness of his plasma-donating, office-supply-hawking doldrums, Koerber engrossed himself in the ancient classics and books about the founding fathers. The old Rick Koerber, living in the matrix of scarcity, soon converted into the Free Capitalist. He followed in the footsteps of revolutionary heroes like George Washington and John Adams.

By investing in real estate.

A Sure Bet

Koerber’s “equity mill,” as he describes it, involves two of his real-estate holding companies, Hill Erickson and New Castle Holdings. These companies work together under the watch of Koerber’s parent company, FranklinSquires Investments. Koerber’s school, American Founders University, also plays a role. Certain graduates of the school help Hill Erickson find “distressed properties”—homes that have been priced below market value—to invite a quick sale. Students who find these properties get nominal finders' fees from Hill Erickson. They get a title, too: “Real estate acquisition specialists.”

Hill Erickson then uses its capital to buy the property. Meanwhile, other Koerber graduates are ready to purchase the property back from Hill Erickson at ideal market value. These students are part of a “preferred buyers” program, Koerber says.

For example, Hill Erickson buys a distressed property listed at $500,000. Under better market conditions, it might go for $600,000. Then, a “preferred” buyer steps in and buys the property back from Hill Erickson, for the increased value.

This may seem like a raw deal for the preferred buyer. But that is when Koerber’s other company—New Castle Holdings—buys a lease option from the preferred buyer and seeks renters for the property.

“It doesn’t remove the [preferred buyer] from liability, but there is a cash flow of a couple hundred bucks a month,” Koerber says. That’s on top of the cash from the lease option of “good and valuable consideration”—a sort of down payment on the lease, which could be tens of thousands of dollars or more, depending on the sale.

“If New Castle defaults, worst case scenario is you got a house that you can still sell,” Koerber says, adding that buyers “prefer” this arrangement. “Our preferred buyers are usually high-end professionals: doctors, lawyers with good credit.”

Usually, but not always. In 2004, when real estate agent George Bible came across a “preferred buyer” from Koerber’s school, he soon realized he wasn’t so lucky.

In less than a month and a half during the fall of 2004, Bible stood to earn more money in commissions than most real-estate agents would clear in a year—more than $130,000 from seven properties. He says now a thought lingered in the back of his mind—if something is too good to be true, it probably is.

In Bible’s Orem realty office, he has kept a file for four years labeled “FranklinSquires.” He considers it insurance against the day he might be called to account for the period between late September and November 2004, when Koerber’s real-estate investment company, FranklinSquires, enlisted him to find and close on residential homes.

“I have no quarrels with anyone making money. I love making money,” says Bible, sitting back in his chair, smoothing out his cash-patterned tie. “But, at the same time, I have no interest in being involved in something that’s going to harm people in the long term.”

In the summer of 2004, Bible helped find a home for Gabriel Joseph, former vice president of FranklinSquires Investments. Bible impressed Joseph with his efficiency, and Joseph hired him to find investment properties.

The money Bible stood to acquire off fast turnarounds on the seven properties gnawed at him. He began more closely investigating the transactions. One of the homes— a ’70s vintage in Alpine—listed for $730,000. Bible says Joseph had arranged for a simultaneous close, which involves the property being simultaneously sold again to another buyer. (Such closings have since been outlawed in Utah without full disclosure to all parties involved.)

The second buyer was a secretary from Springville. She had been recruited into the “preferred buyers” program and had used her credit score in securing the loan to purchase the property. The home Joseph was going to buy for $730,000 would be sold immediately to the secretary—who earned a little over $38,000 annually—for $1.2 million.

Bible found out that the secretary regularly earned $3,200 per month—roughly the same amount she would be spending on house payments for a home she was not even living in.

Although Joseph and Koerber assured him the transaction was legal, Bible decided to walk away from it and the $130,000-plus in commissions.

If New Castle Holdings kept up with payments, Bible estimated the secretary might have banked an additional $3,000 to $4,000 annually—but if, for some reason, FranklinSquires couldn’t make payments, she would be left holding the bag. “She would likely go bankrupt or foreclosed on, or both.”

If the home wasn’t appraised at fair market value, if the value was inflated, the house wouldn’t sell on the open market. “If it’s artificially inflated by asking for 14 different appraisals and you go with the one that’s more than double what the others said, then you’ve got a problem,” Bible says.

Under good market conditions, it’s possible to cycle through appraisals until the buyer finds one offering a bloated value—equity pay dirt. But, if foreclosure occurs, the preferred buyer’s credit gets ruined. And the home gets dumped back on the market—pulling down property values in the surrounding area.

Such “straw buyer” deals can throw off the housing market and force banks to tighten loan requirements. That leaves some lower-income buyers no choice but to seek predatory subprime lenders.

“If it looks too good to be true, it probably is,” Bible says. “And, if anyone ever tells you that you can make a profit using your credit score, you should ask why aren’t they using their credit score then? The answer is because they’re skimming [the equity], and you’re going to pay the bill.”

Principles, Principals and the Paper Trail

For Koerber, buying properties with his company Hill Erickson was problematic. “It was a big cash drain, but it made big cash,” Koerber says. He decided to loan money to Hill Erickson from his parent company FranklinSquires, and pay himself and his fellow Squires principals 5 percent monthly interest on the money loaned to Hill Erickson.

The cash flow made bank for Koerber and his partners, enough so that a colleague asked to get in on the action. Koerber found the only way to do this was to form another company, Founders Capital.

Founders also started loaning money to Hill Erickson and in turn, people started approaching Founders looking to invest. Koerber says he only allowed a small number of “accredited” investors to invest with Founders. According to Utah securities law, securities sold to accredited investors don’t have to meet the same legal disclosure standards that securities sold to other investors might. Accredited investors get more leeway because they have to be wealthy. An individual accredited investor, for example, must have a yearly income of at least $200,000.

That would be an investor like Paul Bouchard.


While Koerber insists Bouchard was simply an investor in Founders Capital, their business connections were closer than others—just down the hall, in fact. According to a January 2008 Utah Securities Division order to show cause, yet another company—Innovator Mortgage—had been employing Bouchard as a licensed mortgage lender. Innovator shared office space with Koerber’s FranklinSquires.

“We just rented space to them; it’s not like there were kickbacks or any kind of informal relationship like that,” Koerber says. Innovator also advertised on the Free Capitalist radio show. Koerber says unbeknownst to him, one of Koerber’s employees started soliciting for investments in Bouchard’s Hunters Capital.

The Securities Division document identifies former FranklinSquires accountant Rachelle Taylor as a sales representatives for Bouchard’s Hunters Capital. Taylor, with 10 others (including Free Capitalist radio producer Israel Curtis) were allegedly soliciting loans for Hunters Capital.

“It created a huge chain of people borrowing money and saying it was going to Founders and FranklinSquires,” Koerber says. Even though Hunters was accredited, the capital it allegedly raised came from more than 140 unaccredited investors, like those whom Skuba invested with. The money, however, still went to Founder’s Capital.

Koerber says he warned Bouchard he would cut him off from investing with Founders if he misrepresented their association. Despite assurances from Bouchard, the money raising continued, Koerber says.

Connections crept closer to Koerber in recent securities complaints from Idaho, where securities officials have filed civil complaints against companies Home Sweet Financial, LLC, and Streamline Financial, LLC. These companies allegedly issued unregistered securities totaling $3 million. The Idaho Department of Finance and Securities alleges the companies raised illicit funds and passed the money to yet another company—Annuit Coeptis—which, in turn, sent the money to Founders Capital.

Annuit Coeptis would pay Streamline and Home Sweet Financial 3 percent interest each month on the money and would in turn pay investors 1.5 to 2 percent monthly. The founder of Annuit Coeptis is former FranklinSquires Vice President Gabriel Joseph.

Joseph no longer works for FranklinSquires, Koerber says. And while Joseph was his right-hand man and a frequent radio show guest, Koerber denies any involvement with Joseph’s alleged fraud in Idaho. “Annuit Coeptis is a completely separate business from FranklinSquires,” Koerber says.


Not Everyone is Buying It

On Feb. 18, Marietta and Dennis Baca filed suit in Denver against Koerber and Joseph, claiming the men pulled them into a scheme that has taken all their assets—a modest retirement, Social Security and a small pension Marietta earned after working at a Safeway store for 22 years.

Marietta, 63, and Dennis, 62, live in Aurora, a Denver suburb. “They’re a real nice couple,” says Miles Gersh, the Bacas’ Denver attorney. According to the lawsuit, Koerber and Joseph pitched a lavish lifestyle to the Bacas, persuading them to take $170,000 from home equity. Marietta also put her 401(k) earnings and costly credit-card advances into Founders, according to the suit.

“It’s a scheme,” alleges Gersh. “A lot of things represented were false, and many things that were true were omitted.”

As in the Idaho case, Gersh says Annuit Coeptis passed investments from the Bacas to Founders Capital, for fat interest payments. “The defendants were engaged in a wide-ranging Ponzi scheme in which defendants induced students of their real-estate instruction programs to use their home equity to invest in [promissory] “notes,” then used funds provided by investors in the notes to pay the interest or principal of the notes sold to earlier investors,” the lawsuit alleges.

While the suit claims that a member of Annuit Coeptis convinced the Bacas to invest, the suit describes Koerber as a “control” person. “It’s for individuals who are effectively in charge of management positions,” Gersh says. “[Koerber] might not have a formal position in the company that our clients invested with, but we don’t think that’s accidental.”

Now You See Them, Now You Don’t …


As of Feb. 11, Koerber had radically downsized FranklinSquires. Amid controversial transactions and alleged meddling in his affairs by state securities, Koerber writes on the FranklinSquires Website:

“I would rather wind up the affairs of FranklinSquires, New Castle and Hill Erickson, pay all our creditors—and refocus my energy and the energy of those who are interested in working with me on something where we can make a more powerful difference in the world.”

Last November, Koerber says, he circulated a letter offering a unique financial opportunity. After Founders Capital had been delinquent on interest payments, Koerber’s lawyers offered major creditors the opportunity to convert the debt Founders Capital owed them into company equity. “We offered everyone the option to swap for equity or get all of their principal back plus 12 percent interest,” Koerber says. “No one opted to take the principal back.”

But at least one company wanted its money back rather than “equity.” Koerber offered Vonco, a Utah County real-estate investment firm, that invitation. His companies owed Vonco $3 million.

The offer to exchange debt for a stake in a company that couldn’t pay its investors raised a red flag, says Vonco’s attorney Reid Lambert.

On Feb. 8, Vonco filed suit in Utah County 4th District Court against Koerber’s companies, seeking a lien on one of Koerber’s properties as compensation for delinquent interest payments. While they were interested in getting their principal back, the amount owed to them by Koerber's companies was far greater than just the offered principal plus 12 percent interest. Vonco's lawyers tried to contact FranklinSquires but received no response.

The following week, FranklinSquires had stripped down its operations. “There was never any disclosure they planned to shut down the company,” Lambert says.

Anxious investors are asking how Koerber, in the middle of drastic downsizing and legal trouble, will carry on.

While you may not be able to catch Koerber on K-Talk (he’s moved to Provo station KHQN 1480), it’s not too late to turn your brain on, according to the Free Capitalist Website. Koerber recently advertised a “unique” one-day, $1,000 seminar on Feb. 27, offering to teach the “almost ancient product” of creating wealth—through life insurance.

You, too, can discover “how life insurance can be the most powerful tool to generate substantial wealth quickly”—and if you’re not completely satisfied, every penny will be returned to you, guaranteed.

Tuesday

Filming for NBC- Live Conversation with Utah Division of Securities on Franklin Squires and Koerber Investigation Posted, by Robert Paisola

We have been swamped with phone calls from all over the country as people have read about the letter that we received from this attorney in Utah that is shown below.

Approximately at 11:50 AM this afternoon, we called the case investigator for the State of Utah, Mike Hinses. He was aware of our posting and wanted us to convey this message to all residents that have been impacted by the actions of C. Rick Koerber and Franklin Squires that they want to talk to you. He was on his way out of the building for a week long vacation, but he returned to take our call. "Yeah, I see that letter all the time" hmmmm. ANYONE ELSE who received this letter, please send us an email immediately. We will soon be posting a victim list and will also post the list of the other members of the media and individuals who received this "boilerplate" letter. We want to interview you you on camera.

Finally Mike announced that last week he filed formal criminal charges against PAUL BUSHARD " who is in Rick Koerber's "Downline"

Mike said he will send us a copy of the criminal filing for us to post. He also said that he can be contacted by any citizen at m.hinses@utah.gov and while he is away, to please copy the Director of the Division of Securities for the State of Utah, Wayne Klein with all information. His email address is w.klein@utah.gov

Again, if you have received a letter like this, we want to talk to you. If we have already interviewed you and you were an employee at Franklin Squires, we have not released those tapes yet. We will contact you prior to distribution.

There is a lot of information posted here on Franklin Squires. If you are or have been a victim, please contact us at victims@franklinsquireslawsuit.com

http://www.mycollector.com/news_FranklinSquires2.html

For a Live telephone call between the director of the Utah Division of Securities and Western Capital, look here:

Give this a few minutes to load, but it is worth the wait! (Cut and Paste)

http://www.mycollector.com/iNTERVIEW%20WITH%20UTAH%20DIV%20OF%20SECURITIES%20DIRECTOR%208807.wav

Sunday

Anyone Heard From Gabe Joseph or Franklin Squires?

http://www.whereisgabe.blogspot.com/
*The following Information was obtained from the above blog! Great Job

Anyone Heard From Gabe Joseph or Franklin Squires?
Franklin Squires, Rick Koerber, Gabe Joseph, Annuit Copetis, Founders Capital, FreeCapitalist Project, FranklinSquires University, New Castle Holdings, Hill Erickson, VIP Media, Iceberg Drive Inn, Lucent Real Estate, Innovator Mortgage, Brandon Adams, Free Capitalist Project, The Invisible Hand of capitalism, The Equity Mill, Montana Mining & Milling, American TimberCraft,

Sunday, January 20, 2008
Annuit Coeptis LLC (Gabriel Joseph) Real Estate Ponzi Scheme or Legitimate Business?
I’m hoping that if I post my story about investing with Gabe Joseph and Annuit Coeptis, LLC that others will come forward as well. If you are looking for information about Annuit Coeptis the all seeing eye on the back of the one dollar bill, you have came to the wrong place, this is about a company that has defrauded my family and many others out of money.

The first time I met Gabe was in his office at Franklin Squires, he seemed nice but you could tell he was a salesman. He told us about Rick Koerber and how he was such an “honorable” man. He told the story of how Rick’s company National Business Solutions went under at the end of the ow H .com era. Rick paid back all of his creditors in full with interest. He told us how the money was invested in Founders Capital and very briefly told us about the “Equity Mill TM”. What Gabe never went over is the questions that you have to ask to satisfy the SEC.

The first time we caught “The Invisible Hand” of capitalism and his assistant Brandon Adams in a lie was back in June, Gabe was very late on his July 2007 interest payment and he claimed that he was on a fishing trip and Brandon also claimed he was on a fishing trip. The funny thing is they both thought that the other was taking care of the payments. I guess Gabe forgot that he had to approve the payments. The next month’s interest payment for August 2007 was on time. Starting with September the money stopped and the lies came out in full force.

We thought that Gabe or Brandon would tell us that we were not going to get that month’s interest payment. Instead we got the run around from both Gabe and Brandon. We did find out that others were lucky enough to get their interest payment that month (I wonder how he chose). The story we heard was that he didn’t have any money, Founders Capital wasn’t distributing. Gabe claimed that if Founders wrote a check to him and he cashed it, he would go to jail. He said because the state was investigating Founders Capital. The second lie we were told is that Founders couldn’t payout because their assets were frozen by the state. The third lie that we heard was if they paid money out it would be “discrimination” (whatever that means).

That is contrary to what the State of Utah claims; that they want Rick, Gabe and all of the gang to pay their investors back. The State said that all of their stall tactics and excuses they are giving us are absolutely false. If you want any chance of getting some of your money back, contact the State of Utah Division of Securities. (Contact info is at the bottom of the page). They also claim that they are cooperating with the state, giving financials etc. This is also false. The latest excuse that Gabe is now claiming is that he doesn’t know why Rick is not distributing from Founders Capital. Gabe said that 80% of his money is coming from Founders but 20% is coming from other interests that are doing well. I wonder if he is living off of the 20% because I know investors aren’t seeing it.

We are so very glad that we didn’t get involved with their FranklinSquires University or the Free Capitalist Project. I know a few people that have and it’s like adding insult to injury. Since they use their church affiliation and verbiage to teach their principles it would be interesting what the first presidency would think of their business practices.

Since the fall of Annuit Coeptis I have read many things about Gabe, Rick and FranklinSquires. The only principle that they know or truly believe in is selfishness. It makes me sick to think they have swindled millions of dollars out of investors. Yet they drive around in Ferrari’s and live in their 3 to 5 Million Dollar houses and cabins. I keep thinking that I will see a big billboard with a huge house and a picture of Rick saying this is the house that fraud built. I just can’t understand why they think that they have done nothing wrong. While some investors are losing their houses and others will be paying for their “material possessions” for years to come. I’m not sure how they can feel good about themselves knowing that they have lied, cheated and stole from others. I think they were trying to tell us something with their slogans “Some things are true whether you believe it or not”, “Turn your brain on”.

If you have received a questionnaire from the State of Utah Division of Securities please fill it out in the entirety. They already have copies of your promissory note so they already know the terms of the agreement. The purpose of the questionnaire is to find out if fraud was committed on the part of the issuer and to help get investors monies returned.

Please post your stories and comments so that others may learn more information about the Franklin Squires Ponzi Scheme. This blog isn’t just about Annuit Coeptis it is for anyone that has any dealings with FranklinSquires or subsidiary thereof.

Anyone seen or heard from Gabe or any of the FranklinSquires principles lately?

Reference:

Franklin Squires
85 East Bay Blvd.
Provo, UT 84606
801-375-7707

Annuit Copetis, LLC
9481 North 3830 West
Cedar Hills, UT 84062

State of Utah Division of Securities
160 East 300 South
P.O. Box 146760
Salt Lake City, UT 84114-6760
801-530-6127




Posted by Where Is Gabe at 3:21 PM

Labels: Annuit Copetis, Founders Capital, Franklin Squires, FreeCapitalist Project, Gabe Joseph, Rick Koerber